Gnostic Christian Bishop
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Post by Gnostic Christian Bishop on Feb 10, 2014 11:28:55 GMT -5
Created in God’s image. Dumb and evil and under Satan’s control. And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. God blamed the Sons of God for the conditions above, but biology says that only humans can reproduce with humans so the Sons of God had to be human. If God created man in his image, then God has every imagination of the thoughts of his heart are only evil continually. That would explain all his vile actions in scripture. More vile than Satan if you know your bible. Job 2;3 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause. Satan moved/controlled God. www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7irFN2gdIGod is absentee and no longer speaks through prophets to us. God has abandoned man and is not keeping his covenant which begins with communication. Has God broken his new covenant with mankind? God created Adam and Eve in his image. They were basically blissful in their ignorance and without the knowledge of good and evil were basically too dumb to even know they were naked. There natures, also in the image of God’s nature, turned to sin which indicates that God’s nature also turn to evil and sin as confirmed in Job. If A & E were created in God’s image, and were basically blissful in their ignorance and without the knowledge of good and evil and dumb, does that mean that God also was at one point basically blissful in his ignorance and without the knowledge of good and evil and dumb? Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein God continues to create us as is while telling us that the vast majority of us are destined for hell. Is God insane? Regards DL |
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Post by Soulgazer on Feb 10, 2014 14:24:55 GMT -5
Which God? If you are talking about the "creator god" of Sethian lore, Yaldoboath, then yes. Jesus brought us the "true God"(cf Gospel of John"
Welcome to the boards!
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Post by gnosticbishop on Feb 10, 2014 21:32:44 GMT -5
Which God? If you are talking about the "creator god" of Sethian lore, Yaldoboath, then yes. Jesus brought us the "true God"(cf Gospel of John" Welcome to the boards! That God sucks. So does that Jesus.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4QXOgVfY9k&feature=player_embedded
Much of what Jesus taught is unworkable rhetoric or just plain old anti-love.
Especially his no divorce policy and forgiveness policy.
I am willing to debate if you are.
Regards DL
P.S.
Thanks for the greetings and if you will allow me to use your admin services.
You will note that the author is shown as Gnostic Christian Bishop You will also see that the reply was from gnosticbishop. Could you roll all that into the one Gnostic Christian Bishop if possible.
How I ended with two names is beyond me.
Thanks in advance.
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Post by Soulgazer on Feb 11, 2014 0:55:30 GMT -5
Hmmm, I don't know where you are coming from. The "no divorce" policy is merely stating the ideal, highlighting how the previous "prophets" had defiled the concept of perfection; The concept of forgiveness credited to Him in Matthew was pretty much universal, though it has been misinterpretted...if you want to be forgiven, then forgive is how it is stated in Matthew, if you read the end of the Lord's prayer, as well as implied in the various parables. It also depends on which particular Gospel you are talking about--- I like the Gnostic Gospels such as the Gospel of John and the Gospel of Mary as well as the Gospel of Truth. I would ignore the Gospel of Luke entirely as I believe it to be a catholicized version of Marcion's "Gospel of the Lord". Matthew seems to be a reactionary Gospel to Paul's teachings based on Mark, having been written in Antioch some time after Paul's death. Nearly every Christian writing is an argument against other Christian's viewpoints--- You can pretty much pick and choose, which is what we do here, making us "Unorthodox Christians". There is a common thread though based on the first century deffinition of "believe in me", which has nothing to do with insisting Jesus was "real"--- It meant to "follow", which again is an expression of an ideal. I personally believe that looking outward except for guidelines to find the ideal is fruitless. Your milage may vary.
As far as debates, no. Everybody here is free to share what they know free of condemnation or derision. Your initial post was as a guest...if you have registered, the problem should clear itself up.
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Post by gnosticbishop on Feb 11, 2014 19:20:06 GMT -5
I am a fairly militant Gnostic Christian and came in under that flag, if you will. I will have to recognize that I am in a friendlier site than some I go to to do more arguing than for discussion or fellowship.
I will have to tone myself down here. Peace at last.
My reference to divorce is that Jesus has a, let no man put asunder policy.
I consider that anti-love as it forces people to live together who do not love each other and prevents them from seeking a love connection to go through life with.
Moses did not agree and neither do about 60% of Christians and Catholics as that many are divorced.
Apotheosis is what pushed me into Gnostic Christianity. Have you found your spark of God within yet?
It seems rather rare even as many have stepped up to their full responsibility for their own (salvation). They know that they do not really need saving. None are ever lost to God.
Is that your thinking as well?
Regards
DL
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Post by xpistissopheiax on Feb 11, 2014 23:34:51 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum Gnosticbishop. Did you ever post at Spiralinward.com? I seem to remember your avatar
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Post by Soulgazer on Feb 12, 2014 1:44:56 GMT -5
I am a fairly militant Gnostic Christian and came in under that flag, if you will. I will have to recognize that I am in a friendlier site than some I go to to do more arguing than for discussion or fellowship.
I will have to tone myself down here. Peace at last.
My reference to divorce is that Jesus has a, let no man put asunder policy.
I consider that anti-love as it forces people to live together who do not love each other and prevents them from seeking a love connection to go through life with.
Moses did not agree and neither do about 60% of Christians and Catholics as that many are divorced.
Apotheosis is what pushed me into Gnostic Christianity. Have you found your spark of God within yet?
It seems rather rare even as many have stepped up to their full responsibility for their own (salvation). They know that they do not really need saving. None are ever lost to God.
Is that your thinking as well?
Regards
DL
My own inner apotheosis came on suddenly, and is a struggle to maintain.  As far as the marriage, ya' I tend to agree with you except in the ideal--- and I think marriage is a choice that should be made as late in life as humanly possibe, again speaking in the ideal. Two good people can easily drive each other over the edge, unless they are at a stage of their lives where they are EACH comfortable with adapting and evolving their own hearts. |
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Post by gnosticbishop on Feb 13, 2014 8:17:27 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum Gnosticbishop. Did you ever post at Spiralinward.com? I seem to remember your avatar I was there a long time ago but have been banned for some reason.
I may have been too feisty for them back then. I have settled down a bit.
Regards DL
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Post by gnosticbishop on Feb 13, 2014 8:26:52 GMT -5
I am a fairly militant Gnostic Christian and came in under that flag, if you will. I will have to recognize that I am in a friendlier site than some I go to to do more arguing than for discussion or fellowship.
I will have to tone myself down here. Peace at last.
My reference to divorce is that Jesus has a, let no man put asunder policy.
I consider that anti-love as it forces people to live together who do not love each other and prevents them from seeking a love connection to go through life with.
Moses did not agree and neither do about 60% of Christians and Catholics as that many are divorced.
Apotheosis is what pushed me into Gnostic Christianity. Have you found your spark of God within yet?
It seems rather rare even as many have stepped up to their full responsibility for their own (salvation). They know that they do not really need saving. None are ever lost to God.
Is that your thinking as well?
Regards
DL
My own inner apotheosis came on suddenly, and is a struggle to maintain. As far as the marriage, ya' I tend to agree with you except in the ideal--- and I think marriage is a choice that should be made as late in life as humanly possibe, again speaking in the ideal. Two good people can easily drive each other over the edge, unless they are at a stage of their lives where they are EACH comfortable with adapting and evolving their own hearts. My second marriage was late but it is still the luck of the draw to some extent and that is why I would not restrict divorce. But yes, maturity aids the decision in some ways but the people are more set in their ways which is not a help.
Care to describe your apotheosis? There is usually one instruction or bit of advise that changes perspective. Mine was to think more demographically.
Regards DL
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Post by Soulgazer on Feb 13, 2014 9:45:14 GMT -5
My own inner apotheosis came on suddenly, and is a struggle to maintain. As far as the marriage, ya' I tend to agree with you except in the ideal--- and I think marriage is a choice that should be made as late in life as humanly possibe, again speaking in the ideal. Two good people can easily drive each other over the edge, unless they are at a stage of their lives where they are EACH comfortable with adapting and evolving their own hearts. My second marriage was late but it is still the luck of the draw to some extent and that is why I would not restrict divorce. But yes, maturity aids the decision in some ways but the people are more set in their ways which is not a help.
Care to describe your apotheosis? There is usually one instruction or bit of advise that changes perspective. Mine was to think more demographically.
Regards DL
I went from being a dyed in the wool atheist to an actual experience of God. The experience itself remains undescribable, however, apotheosis describes the upward spiral of the everyday journey as we leave our old self behind and don the new garments. I used to have no trouble hating anyone or anything, rationalizing any action no matter the eventual consequences. It's just not me anymore, with increasingly rare exceptions. |
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Post by xpistissopheiax on Feb 16, 2014 2:54:40 GMT -5
My second marriage was late but it is still the luck of the draw to some extent and that is why I would not restrict divorce. But yes, maturity aids the decision in some ways but the people are more set in their ways which is not a help.
Care to describe your apotheosis? There is usually one instruction or bit of advise that changes perspective. Mine was to think more demographically.
Regards DL
I went from being a dyed in the wool atheist to an actual experience of God. The experience itself remains undescribable, however, apotheosis describes the upward spiral of the everyday journey as we leave our old self behind and don the new garments. I used to have no trouble hating anyone or anything, rationalizing any action no matter the eventual consequences. It's just not me anymore, with increasingly rare exceptions. That's pretty interesting to me. Do you think most atheists have an experience of God and they just deny it and rationalize it away. Or do you think this there is a reason you might have been more open to this type of experience? |
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Post by Soulgazer on Feb 16, 2014 9:24:40 GMT -5
I can't speak for "most" anyone pistis, but I thank you for the honor. For me, I wasn't open to paranormal either. It was rather like walking into a plate glass panel when I thought the door was open. I explored different theologies afterward, and "Gnostic" is the one that comes closest.
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Post by gnosticbishop on Feb 16, 2014 14:14:20 GMT -5
My second marriage was late but it is still the luck of the draw to some extent and that is why I would not restrict divorce. But yes, maturity aids the decision in some ways but the people are more set in their ways which is not a help.
Care to describe your apotheosis? There is usually one instruction or bit of advise that changes perspective. Mine was to think more demographically.
Regards DL
I went from being a dyed in the wool atheist to an actual experience of God. The experience itself remains undescribable, however, apotheosis describes the upward spiral of the everyday journey as we leave our old self behind and don the new garments. I used to have no trouble hating anyone or anything, rationalizing any action no matter the eventual consequences. It's just not me anymore, with increasingly rare exceptions.
Love can be a hindrance. I see how you promote the love. Nice.
How do you fight the evil within our parent religion, that split us out of the founding circle, that the old Orthodox church usurped. Do you think it our duty to try to correct their poor thinking and reclaim our position of respect within the Abrahamic cults?
Proverbs 3:12
For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
Regards DL
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Post by xpistissopheiax on Feb 16, 2014 15:30:06 GMT -5
I would say yes and no. Yes there is a time and place for debate and pointing out the false teachings in orthodoxy. However if we spend all our time fighting theological battles then what is the point? What more would the demi-urge, whatever it is, enjoy than to have us fighting other Christians, instead of serving Christ in whatever capacity he calls us?
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Post by Soulgazer on Feb 16, 2014 16:41:14 GMT -5
Pretty much, to "fight the empire is to become the empire". I don't judge, or try not to; I try to just let my light shine in the darkness. I don't believe catholicism is our "parent religion" though. Gnostic is a catch all for pre-catholic christians from a variety of sects.
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