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Post by g_n_o_s_i_s on Aug 6, 2013 19:26:18 GMT -5
Since this topic couldn't really be discussed at UT without ultimately derailing, thought I'd bring it up in this more friendly setting. What say you?
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Post by Soulgazer on Aug 6, 2013 20:54:59 GMT -5
My answer has a frosted side and a wheat side. My frosted side says that Christ or Logos is God's thought in expression. My wheat side says that there is a lot of mythology developed around a wandering mystic.
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Post by g_n_o_s_i_s on Aug 7, 2013 21:19:25 GMT -5
My answer has a frosted side and a wheat side. My frosted side says that Christ or Logos is God's thought in expression. My wheat side says that there is a lot of mythology developed around a wandering mystic. That sounds like an unorthodox "both" view. |
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Post by g_n_o_s_i_s on Aug 9, 2013 12:25:43 GMT -5
It seems to me that the earliest Christians did believe Jesus to be God. Most all of the controversies in the early church was regarding the humanity of Jesus.
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Post by Soulgazer on Aug 9, 2013 13:06:34 GMT -5
It's an age old question certainly---- I like the answer given in the Acts of John:
"88. Men and brethren, ye have suffered nothing strange or incredible as concerning your perception of the [lord], inasmuch as we also, whom he chose for himself to be apostles, were tried in many ways: I, indeed, am neither able to set forth unto you nor to write the things which I both saw and heard: and now is it needful that I should fit them for your hearing; and according as each of you is able to contain it I will impart unto you those things whereof ye are able to become hearers, that ye may see the glory that is about him, which was and is, both now and for ever.
For when he had chosen Peter and Andrew, which were brethren, he cometh unto me and James my brother, saying: I have need of you, come unto me. And my brother hearing that, said: John, what would this child have that is upon the sea-shore and called us? And I said: What child? And he said to me again: That which beckoneth to us. And I answered: Because of our long watch we have kept at sea, thou seest not aright, my brother James; but seest thou not the man that standeth there, comely and fair and of a cheerful countenance? But he said to me: Him I see not, brother; but let us go forth and we shall see what he would have.
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Post by phantasman on Aug 13, 2013 8:38:22 GMT -5
A God who became a man to show men how to be Gods.
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Post by g_n_o_s_i_s on Aug 13, 2013 17:06:44 GMT -5
A God who became a man to show men how to be Gods. Valentinus had a doctrine of mutual participation. He held that Jesus participated in humanity so we can participate in divinity. Not quite becoming Gods though. I don't think that view was held by any Christians that I can think of. |
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Post by Soulgazer on Aug 13, 2013 23:11:29 GMT -5
A God who became a man to show men how to be Gods. Valentinus had a doctrine of mutual participation. He held that Jesus participated in humanity so we can participate in divinity. Not quite becoming Gods though. I don't think that view was held by any Christians that I can think of. You might want to consider the implications of this verse from the gospel of Philip: "A horse sires a horse, a man begets man, a god brings forth a god." |
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Post by g_n_o_s_i_s on Aug 14, 2013 10:00:19 GMT -5
Valentinus had a doctrine of mutual participation. He held that Jesus participated in humanity so we can participate in divinity. Not quite becoming Gods though. I don't think that view was held by any Christians that I can think of. You might want to consider the implications of this verse from the gospel of Philip: "A horse sires a horse, a man begets man, a god brings forth a god."But we are men/women so that would just validate my point. |
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Post by Soulgazer on Aug 14, 2013 21:27:58 GMT -5
This is where the duality between flesh and spirit comes into play.
The heavenly man has many more sons than the earthly man. If the sons of Adam are many, although they die, how much more the sons of the perfect man, they who do not die but are always begotten.~ Philip
1:12But as many as received him, to them gave he the right to become children of God, even to them that believe on his name: 1:13who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.~John
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