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Post by rmcdra on Aug 4, 2013 10:26:31 GMT -5
Like the title says why? I was inspired to ask this question by the website with the same title. I'd love to hear the unorthodox response to this question.
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Post by waywardwanderer on Aug 4, 2013 12:54:50 GMT -5
Huh well this is a tricky one. I'm not sure I could even properly speculate on the answer, but it maybe that knowledge and experience of him could provide a different sort of healing than physical. A sort of peace with what is that provides a sort of overcoming of the physical limitations in a spiritual and mental sense.
If that makes any sense at all.
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Post by phantasman on Aug 4, 2013 16:25:20 GMT -5
It's an interesting thought. One may say that Jesus would say "If you don't believe in me who raised a man from the dead, how would you believe in me if I made a man whole?"
I believe that spirit has control over atomic matter. Matter decays, spirit doesn't. Jesus could control matter, simply by using his Father to think what he wanted to happen. Make himself walk on water, heal broken bodies, refute disease, etc. Jesus had the Holy Spirit within him as the tool to commune with God to make this happen. But those who received the event had the faith that it would happen as well, in many cases. None had the faith when he raised Lazarus. But the lady who became healed by touching his robe was healed by her own faith.
If Paul had all faith that he could move a mountain, could he not utilize that same faith to move atoms to produce a hand where there wasn't one? I would have to say "yes". Would God start doing something like that in the Gospels? I don't think so. Today people are healed. And Jesus was the only one (Canonical) that rose someone from the dead. Had there been stories of limb replacements by God, it would be enough to cast doubt today by those who do not have enough faith to perform them, thus destroying the belief system.
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Post by americanvet on Aug 4, 2013 17:35:53 GMT -5
Might not be what you are looking for but:
Luke 23:51b: "And he touched the man's ear and healed him"
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Post by g_n_o_s_i_s on Aug 4, 2013 22:49:47 GMT -5
The "true god" is not associated with matter.
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Post by xpistissopheiax on Aug 4, 2013 22:51:03 GMT -5
I have heard dramatic stories of faith healing, but I have yet to see one myself unfortunately.
I wish I know why God chose to heal some people and not others. It doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever.
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Post by Soulgazer on Aug 5, 2013 3:50:23 GMT -5
The "true god" is not associated with matter. I am inclined to agree with you. |
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Post by Soulgazer on Aug 5, 2013 3:52:50 GMT -5
I have heard dramatic stories of faith healing, but I have yet to see one myself unfortunately. I wish I know why God chose to heal some people and not others. It doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. As someone who recieved the gift of healing others, I have asked myself that question many times. Why this person and not that person? There is no satisfactory answer. |
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Post by gord on Aug 6, 2013 11:37:46 GMT -5
Probably because 'God' isn't in the miracle business. He is in the business of just being. Being a rock or a turtle of a Soulgazer or a gord. It's best not to think dualistic and say matter or spirit. Matter and spirit are one. Focusing too much on either one causes delusion. my 2 cents. good discussion.
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Post by Soulgazer on Aug 6, 2013 20:57:01 GMT -5
Probably because 'God' isn't in the miracle business. He is in the business of just being. Being a rock or a turtle of a Soulgazer or a gord. It's best not to think dualistic and say matter or spirit. Matter and spirit are one. Focusing too much on either one causes delusion. my 2 cents. good discussion. Ah, my friend, dualism is a very elegant discipline if properly taught. He called out, saying: "Whoever has ears to hear about the infinities, let him hear!"; and "I have addressed those who are awake." Still he continued and said: "Everything that came from the perishable will perish, since it came from the perishable. But whatever came from imperishableness does not perish but becomes imperishable. So, many men went astray because they had not known this difference and they died." ~Sophia of Jesus |
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Post by rmcdra on Aug 7, 2013 0:01:15 GMT -5
Let's say we develop a technique to re-grow limbs. What drove the people that developed the technique? The motivation to develop the technique is the answer to seeing God in motion and who is healing the amputee.
While I know that some will take offense to me saying that God works through people, this is exactly the case. Does this undermine the people that do this accomplishment? Only if you assume that God is literally acting like some sort of puppeteer. It's more like your will and God's Will are in line with each other and going for the same goal.
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Post by gord on Aug 7, 2013 11:18:19 GMT -5
Probably because 'God' isn't in the miracle business. He is in the business of just being. Being a rock or a turtle of a Soulgazer or a gord. It's best not to think dualistic and say matter or spirit. Matter and spirit are one. Focusing too much on either one causes delusion. my 2 cents. good discussion. Ah, my friend, dualism is a very elegant discipline if properly taught. He called out, saying: "Whoever has ears to hear about the infinities, let him hear!"; and "I have addressed those who are awake." Still he continued and said: "Everything that came from the perishable will perish, since it came from the perishable. But whatever came from imperishableness does not perish but becomes imperishable. So, many men went astray because they had not known this difference and they died." ~Sophia of Jesus For sure SG old friend. I think it's because of my more atheist/agnostic slant towards gnostic thought and 'un-orthodoxy' that I don't see dualism like i used to as spiritual vs material but as spiritual and material as the same thing. I do see your point though and that is an excellent verse from the Sophia of Jesus!  |
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Post by phantasman on Aug 8, 2013 17:19:45 GMT -5
The "true god" is not associated with matter. Hmmm......... I have been studying this for awhile and may be wrong in what I said (and believed). It does appear that the demiurge is the creator of matter, which is said to be his and under his control. Jesus must have had the power to defy it (and him). From what I have read, it is Yaldy that had hoped to enslave man in matter, with no hope but of death and the Father through his son offered us life. |
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Post by g_n_o_s_i_s on Aug 9, 2013 10:33:54 GMT -5
The "true god" is not associated with matter. Hmmm......... I have been studying this for awhile and may be wrong in what I said (and believed). It does appear that the demiurge is the creator of matter, which is said to be his and under his control. Jesus must have had the power to defy it (and him). From what I have read, it is Yaldy that had hoped to enslave man in matter, with no hope but of death and the Father through his son offered us life. It actually is a bit more complicated than that in my view. Matter like spirit are both from the true God, but matter and the spirit that was trapped in it was ejected and separated from him due to defect. There is solid evidence that from the Nag that some Gnostics had the idea that Yaldy was deified in the form of an image. Being a tool used by God to further his cause while all along still possessing his own will and goals. Cheers, g |
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Post by phantasman on Aug 10, 2013 9:48:58 GMT -5
Hmmm......... I have been studying this for awhile and may be wrong in what I said (and believed). It does appear that the demiurge is the creator of matter, which is said to be his and under his control. Jesus must have had the power to defy it (and him). From what I have read, it is Yaldy that had hoped to enslave man in matter, with no hope but of death and the Father through his son offered us life. It actually is a bit more complicated than that in my view. Matter like spirit are both from the true God, but matter and the spirit that was trapped in it was ejected and separated from him due to defect. There is solid evidence that from the Nag that some Gnostics had the idea that Yaldy was deified in the form of an image. Being a tool used by God to further his cause while all along still possessing his own will and goals. Cheers, g Are you speaking of Adam of light? Didn't Yaldy create Adam as what he thought the image of God was? That he would be a light? And what of the Eponia? |
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