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Post by rmcdra on May 24, 2015 14:37:39 GMT -5
So serious question here. While Pentecost is described in the book of Acts and celebrated by most other Christians, should we celebrate Pentecost? We don't use the Book of Acts in our church so it just seems out of place to celebrate Pentecost. What is your take on this? Do you celebrate Pentecost and if so what importance do you put on Acts?
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Post by xpistissopheiax on May 27, 2015 21:31:13 GMT -5
It's so long since I've thought about that I don't even have an opinion. Growing up in protestant churches we never did anything special for it, so I don't know much about it to begin with. How does Acts fit in with Gnostic Christianity, or is it in opposition?
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Post by rmcdra on May 29, 2015 8:53:07 GMT -5
It's so long since I've thought about that I don't even have an opinion. Growing up in protestant churches we never did anything special for it, so I don't know much about it to begin with. How does Acts fit in with Gnostic Christianity, or is it in opposition? To me it's difficult to use since Acts pretty much was written to "tame" the Pauline Letters and make it seem like Paul and Peter had the same goals. It describes a unity of that never existed which is nice but it seems to white wash the diversity of early Christianity. I can't say it's anti-gnostic though since Valentinus did include Acts in his canon. I don't use Acts in my canon, but like Valentinus, I know that there are some gnostics that do.
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Post by phantasman on May 30, 2015 19:58:49 GMT -5
I don't use Acts of the Apostles that much except for historic value. There is too much that works differently from Christs teachings. The author Luke, was a specific writer and extremely well educated. But he did not walk with Christ. I don't use any of the acts as a gospel message of truth. Though the Acts of Pilate does have an answer from Jesus when Pilate asked "what is truth". (See.......Historic).
Orthodoxy belief is that the Holy Spirit came within man 49 days after Resurrection. John says Jesus breathed on them and said "Receive the Holy Spirit".
Acts has an instance where the Holy Spirit used by Peter seems to kill a man and his wife. I do not believe the Father, Son or Holy Spirit has ever killed anyone.
The story of Magus becomes a tool for many to restructure events. Anti-Pauline believe Paul is Magus. Catholics believe a cathedral of their has knee prints from Paul and Peter in a marble floor as they prayed desperately as Magus floated above them with great power. I believe Magus was a false prophet, like Celsus.
My wife is Penticostal. I never heard her speak in tongues. But I know she loves the Lord with all she is. And that's where we both keep ourselves.......in his love and trust.
Peter and Paul were fine when they weren't together. Peter gave Paul light and Paul gave Peter light. But I believe Peter had a bit of a power streak. He was called Satan by Jesus because of his ignorance, he denied Christ, and even towards the end in Gethsemane, he lashes at another with a sword. After 3 years you'd think knowledge would sink into even the "rock". And we don't know for sure, that the Roman Church came to be by Peters possible mistakes. Jesus knew he needed 12 men to teach one message. And let's not forget the 6 women who traveled the same path for 3 years.
Just the way I see it, and I'm open for debate.
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Post by rmcdra on Jun 11, 2015 18:08:20 GMT -5
I don't use Acts of the Apostles that much except for historic value. There is too much that works differently from Christs teachings. The author Luke, was a specific writer and extremely well educated. But he did not walk with Christ. I don't use any of the acts as a gospel message of truth. Though the Acts of Pilate does have an answer from Jesus when Pilate asked "what is truth". (See.......Historic). Orthodoxy belief is that the Holy Spirit came within man 49 days after Resurrection. John says Jesus breathed on them and said "Receive the Holy Spirit". Acts has an instance where the Holy Spirit used by Peter seems to kill a man and his wife. I do not believe the Father, Son or Holy Spirit has ever killed anyone. The story of Magus becomes a tool for many to restructure events. Anti-Pauline believe Paul is Magus. Catholics believe a cathedral of their has knee prints from Paul and Peter in a marble floor as they prayed desperately as Magus floated above them with great power. I believe Magus was a false prophet, like Celsus. My wife is Penticostal. I never heard her speak in tongues. But I know she loves the Lord with all she is. And that's where we both keep ourselves.......in his love and trust. Peter and Paul were fine when they weren't together. Peter gave Paul light and Paul gave Peter light. But I believe Peter had a bit of a power streak. He was called Satan by Jesus because of his ignorance, he denied Christ, and even towards the end in Gethsemane, he lashes at another with a sword. After 3 years you'd think knowledge would sink into even the "rock". And we don't know for sure, that the Roman Church came to be by Peters possible mistakes. Jesus knew he needed 12 men to teach one message. And let's not forget the 6 women who traveled the same path for 3 years. Just the way I see it, and I'm open for debate. Totally agree on all of it. Thanks for the insight.
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Post by phantasman on Jun 18, 2015 11:32:18 GMT -5
It's so long since I've thought about that I don't even have an opinion. Growing up in protestant churches we never did anything special for it, so I don't know much about it to begin with. How does Acts fit in with Gnostic Christianity, or is it in opposition? To me it's difficult to use since Acts pretty much was written to "tame" the Pauline Letters and make it seem like Paul and Peter had the same goals. It describes a unity of that never existed which is nice but it seems to white wash the diversity of early Christianity. I can't say it's anti-gnostic though since Valentinus did include Acts in his canon. I don't use Acts in my canon, but like Valentinus, I know that there are some gnostics that do. Marcion didn't include Acts either. Or the Pastorals. Or Hebrews. The book of Hebrews glorifies the actions and existence of the "priests". Yet all Gospel books and Pauls 10 letters use Priests as a negative, something the early Christians feared and had used positions of power to attempt to thwart the Gospel message. Early church fathers accepted Hebrews, because it gave them authority. No one knows who wrote it, but it appears to me it was by a Catholic sympathizer. " The priest is completely holy, down to his very body. For if he has taken the bread, he will consecrate it. Or the cup or anything else that he gets, he will consecrate. Then how will he not consecrate the body also?"- Gospel of Philip By authority of his own ability, and not by the spirit(ual), has priests given themselves authority, to be celestial leaders and dictators. " Jesus answered: My kingdom is not of this world; for if my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have striven that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. Pilate said unto him: Art thou a king, then? Jesus answered him: Thou sayest that I am a king; for this cause was I born and am come, that every one that is of the truth should hear my voice. Pilate saith unto him: What is truth? Jesus saith unto him: Truth is of heaven. Pilate saith: Is there not truth upon earth? Jesus saith unto Pilate: Thou seest how that they which speak the truth are judged of them that have authority upon earth."- Gospel of Nicodemus Priests have (celestial) authority upon the earth. But by whom or what are they allow to judge? "But others shall change from evil words and misleading mysteries. Some who do not understand mystery speak of things which they do not understand, but they will boast that the mystery of the truth is theirs alone. And in haughtiness they shall grasp at pride, to envy the immortal soul which has become a pledge. For every authority, rule, and power of the aeons wishes to be with these in the creation of the world, in order that those who are not, having been forgotten by those that are, may praise them, though they have not been saved, nor have they been brought to the Way by them, always wishing that they may become imperishable ones. For if the immortal soul receives power in an intellectual spirit -. But immediately they join with one of those who misled them."
"But many others, who oppose the truth and are the messengers of error, will set up their error and their law against these pure thoughts of mine, as looking out from one (perspective) thinking that good and evil are from one (source)*. They do business in my word. And they will propagate harsh fate. The race of immortal souls will go in it in vain, until my Parousia. For they shall come out of them - and my forgiveness of their transgressions, into which they fell through their adversaries, whose ransom I got from the slavery in which they were, to give them freedom that they may create an imitation remnant in the name of a dead man, who is Hermas, of the first-born of unrighteousness, in order that the light which exists may not believed by the little ones. But those of this sort are the workers who will be cast into the outer darkness, away from the sons of light. For neither will they enter, nor do they permit those who are going up to their approval for their release."
"And still others of them who suffer think that they will perfect the wisdom of the brotherhood which really exists, which is the spiritual fellowship of those united in communion, through which the wedding of incorruptibility shall be revealed. The kindred race of the sisterhood will appear as an imitation. These are the ones who oppress their brothers, saying to them, "Through this our God has pity, since salvation comes to us through this," not knowing the punishment of those who are made glad by those who have done this thing to the little ones whom they saw, (and) whom they took prisoner."
"And there shall be others of those who are outside our number who name themselves bishop and also deacons, as if they have received their authority from God. They bend themselves under the judgment of the leaders. Those people are dry canals." - Apocalypse (Gospel) of Peter. *- hence, God made a mistake. The perfect Father never made a "mistake". If he did, would he not be imperfect then? God created Satan who became evil is a lie, IMO. The Sophia idea creating a demiurge leaves the Father perfect, and holds more water for truth.
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Post by x141 on Oct 2, 2015 17:13:55 GMT -5
To keep or not to keep ... Pentecost is a relational inner truth, just as it is the same as what is in an hour, a day, a month, or a year.
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