Post by phantasman on Sept 3, 2014 11:26:31 GMT -5
87 Jesus said, "How miserable is the body that depends on a body, and how miserable is the soul that depends on these two."
Is the two the body and soul (without spirit)? It appears Jesus is really slamming Genesis 2
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
If the demiurge breathed the soul into man, then each man has something "spiritual" inside him from the demiurge. I am trying to imagine if Christ, a physical being who was spiritual from the Father, had a soul, or a part of the demiurge within him. It doesn't appear that way. It seems he only gave the body what it needed to survive in a physical sense (replenish water with little food). Since the body is mostly water, he had to have been little of anything else (a pierced side revealing so, sweating so much water as great drops of blood, etc.). A body that could just "dry up" in three days?
The spirit given us by the Father is infinite. Does it return to him with or without a soul? The spirit purifies the soul to return (Pleroma) or the soul dies with the body (Gehenna) and the spirit returns empty.
My thinking is that the sword Jesus brought cut the mind to distinguish between the physical and spiritual. This is also in Thomas as:
101 "Whoever does not hate [father] and mother as I do cannot be my [disciple], and whoever does [not] love [father and] mother as I do cannot be my [disciple]. For my mother [...], but my true [mother] gave me life."
The physical father and mother born us into death. Their fathers and mothers born them into death. And this goes back to Adam and Eve. And God "demiurge" created them into death. So through this reversal, when we hate our physical mother and father, we hate the demiurge.
Now Christ loves his spiritual father and mother, and we love the spirit that is within our physical father and mother. As they should love the spirit in their fathers and mothers. And this returns as well to Adam and Eve when the spirit from the son was given to them through transgression. In this respect, we don't fear the physical, but we hate it and what it represents.
It is our soul we seek to save. And the physical cannot do it, but the demiurge wants us to believe his creation "was" at once perfect, when he himself is not perfect. Unperfect cannot create perfect. And the perfect Father shows us this through knowledge, sending the only body that could act and be perfect. If the Father created perfect man in Eden, why didn't he mirror Jesus? Because perfect only appeared 2014 years ago. Making everything else, including Eden, imperfect.
Is the two the body and soul (without spirit)? It appears Jesus is really slamming Genesis 2
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
If the demiurge breathed the soul into man, then each man has something "spiritual" inside him from the demiurge. I am trying to imagine if Christ, a physical being who was spiritual from the Father, had a soul, or a part of the demiurge within him. It doesn't appear that way. It seems he only gave the body what it needed to survive in a physical sense (replenish water with little food). Since the body is mostly water, he had to have been little of anything else (a pierced side revealing so, sweating so much water as great drops of blood, etc.). A body that could just "dry up" in three days?
The spirit given us by the Father is infinite. Does it return to him with or without a soul? The spirit purifies the soul to return (Pleroma) or the soul dies with the body (Gehenna) and the spirit returns empty.
My thinking is that the sword Jesus brought cut the mind to distinguish between the physical and spiritual. This is also in Thomas as:
101 "Whoever does not hate [father] and mother as I do cannot be my [disciple], and whoever does [not] love [father and] mother as I do cannot be my [disciple]. For my mother [...], but my true [mother] gave me life."
The physical father and mother born us into death. Their fathers and mothers born them into death. And this goes back to Adam and Eve. And God "demiurge" created them into death. So through this reversal, when we hate our physical mother and father, we hate the demiurge.
Now Christ loves his spiritual father and mother, and we love the spirit that is within our physical father and mother. As they should love the spirit in their fathers and mothers. And this returns as well to Adam and Eve when the spirit from the son was given to them through transgression. In this respect, we don't fear the physical, but we hate it and what it represents.
It is our soul we seek to save. And the physical cannot do it, but the demiurge wants us to believe his creation "was" at once perfect, when he himself is not perfect. Unperfect cannot create perfect. And the perfect Father shows us this through knowledge, sending the only body that could act and be perfect. If the Father created perfect man in Eden, why didn't he mirror Jesus? Because perfect only appeared 2014 years ago. Making everything else, including Eden, imperfect.