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Post by phantasman on Jun 28, 2014 12:14:36 GMT -5
I saw an image this morning, and just wish to share.
Luke 4
1And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
Every human on this Earth has a spirit. Also, a body (flesh) and soul. Each portion is given to us new, and hungers for food to sate it's individual wants, needs. As we grow, the flesh is indeed sated daily to grow and exist. During this time, the spirit hungers as well, but being in the physical, it isn't a requirement for life within the world. There finally comes a point when the spirit hungers as well as the flesh. This threshold passing has been called by some, the age of accountability. It now becomes apparent to each human that this area of the human psyche needs nourishment. Without it, it will die.
As the flesh has it's needs to exist, the spirit now demands to be fed. The problem that arises, is that many do not know how and what to feed it. People look for love to sate this hunger. While love has somewhat of an effect, it is incomplete. In an attempt to further sate the hunger, man attempts wealth. The love of money, after all, is love....desire. With that he buys many new things to attract others, in hope that their love of him, or his possessions, will sate his hunger, his spiritual needs. This "bread" does not work. He is ignorant. He is now lost. Sometimes the hunger is so great, he cannot deal with it. He decides to end the pain. He dies, by his own hand, anothers because of the love of his wealth, or by the world that has fed him physically all those years.
When I read Christs temptation, I see the two sides. Christ was pure spirit inside a body of flesh. Did he even have a soul? Since he wasn't judged, I assume not, which is why the soul is not mentioned in the story above.
Christ made his desires of the flesh to match his desires of the spirit to be tempted. Both body and spirit cried out to be sated. The devils temptation could only be one of feeding the body. Like above, he was shown great things to satisfy the hunger. A complete world of control, all the food the body would need, all the love of the people in it, wealth beyond belief. But Christ, seeing one way as death, the other life, even in his weak, hungered state, saw the truth.
4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
Bread alone cannot sate us. Men try, but in ignorance, they substitute false love for true love. Love of everything "but" that of God. And the more knowledge we have of who, where this love comes from, the closer we are to a sated state for the spirit. We cannot be truly sated if we mix partial love of God with partial love of the "desires of men".....mammon. We choose to be "fulfilled", not merely fed in part.
For truth is like ignorance: while it is hidden, it rests in itself, but when it is revealed and is recognized, it is praised, inasmuch as it is stronger than ignorance and error. It gives freedom. The Word said, "If you know the truth, the truth will make you free" (Jn 8:32). Ignorance is a slave. Knowledge is freedom. If we know the truth, we shall find the fruits of the truth within us. If we are joined to it, it will bring our fulfillment. -Philip
Christ was truth. He argued with ignorance, as I see it, above. If we remain ignorant of what needs to be fed, we are no better than my story above. Knowledge brings freedom. Not the physical freedom the devil was offering, but the freedom to clearly see how and what to feed the spirit. It is the definition of "true" love. The reason the spirit exists, as it is fed by what it gives in return, and the knowledge of where and how this love from the fulfilled spirit needs to be applied, while on Earth or in Heaven.
Just a thought.
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Post by unix on Jun 28, 2014 12:39:20 GMT -5
I'm interested in people who see that as important, and want a personal friend, a buddy, I don't have any - one (the one who knew 9 languages) just got rid of me about 1½ weeks ago. Meanwhile I can at least enjoy reading forums. It's certainly even easier for me to find knowledge than the other things that You mentioned in Your post: love and wealth. I'm looking for someone who appreciates my strive and what I can give thanks to that. But feeding my Spirit with that is so important: Knowledge brings freedom. Not the physical freedom the devil was offering, but the freedom to clearly see how and what to feed the spirit. It is the definition of "true" love. The reason the spirit exists, as it is fed by what it gives in return, |
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Post by phantasman on Jun 28, 2014 14:44:32 GMT -5
I'm interested in people who see that as important, and want a personal friend, a buddy, I don't have any - one (the one who knew 9 languages) just got rid of me about 1½ weeks ago. Meanwhile I can at least enjoy reading forums. It's certainly even easier for me to find knowledge than the other things that You mentioned in Your post: love and wealth. I'm looking for someone who appreciates my strive and what I can give thanks to that. But feeding my Spirit with that is so important: Knowledge brings freedom. Not the physical freedom the devil was offering, but the freedom to clearly see how and what to feed the spirit. It is the definition of "true" love. The reason the spirit exists, as it is fed by what it gives in return, A clear path that we must follow. I get more from the spirit now than just the reading of books. It's like the spirit speaks, and we find scriptures to back it up, rather then vice versa. We merely accept the gift, rather than create it. To me, it is a threshold I feel I have passed over. While many, many men use the flesh (physical things) to identify the spirit, there is a point one reaches, an anointment, where we now identify the flesh through the spirit. The early writers were telling us how to get there, not what it is, IMO. It's interesting to note a certain section of this verse by Philip, that requires a further piece of the rebus to complete the image: Names given to the worldly are very deceptive, for they divert our thoughts from what is correct to what is incorrect. Thus one who hears the word "God" does not perceive what is correct, but perceives what is incorrect. So also with "the Father" and "the Son" and "the Holy Spirit" and "life" and "light" and "resurrection" and "the Church (Ekklesia)" and all the rest - people do not perceive what is correct but they perceive what is incorrect, unless they have come to know what is correct. The names which are heard are in the world [...] deceive. If they were in the Aeon (eternal realm), they would at no time be used as names in the world. Nor were they set among worldly things. They have an end in the Aeon. Without the punctuation there, one could see that "names" deceive. Even the spirit knows what belongs there. Men can speculate. I see the missing phrase as [..are physical, and unless they are shown through the spirit, they can...]. Others may see it different. I am open to anything, but for now it fits. If I learn something better, an elation. But I do not see less. I don't believe it was ever the intent of Christ to have priests teach, like the Jews did. I feel that the elders used their anointed spirits to show the new converts the way to achieve the path until the threshold was crossed. Then they could see as the elders did. And they brought others. There never was an organization. It was all about understanding. Not as much leaders and followers. It all took place within the mind. Just my thoughts. |
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Post by unix on Jun 28, 2014 17:09:37 GMT -5
I've been thinking such things since late December 2013: Names given to the worldly are very deceptive, for they divert our thoughts from what is correct to what is incorrect: ... I've managed to keep many names dreamy, thanks to constantly switching between English language from different time periods. I'm also pretty de-attached from my name, only using it when contacting the Bible Software company - as they recognize me now by almost just my username I'll stop saying my full name and rather say my address. I don't have to say my name more than once a year. I've also been paying attention to the "holy" name usages in my prayer-life. Thanks for the clarifications, I'll read the rest of Your post now! |
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Post by unix on Jun 28, 2014 17:24:45 GMT -5
I had an interesting discussion before I lost the friend. She said she defined God from the Old Testament, particularly the narrative books and Jeremiah: Without the punctuation there, one could see that "names" deceive. ... Men can speculate: But feeding my Spirit with that is so important: I have started to see that should be the case regarding some names, which ones I'm not entirely sure as of late: I see the missing phrase as [..are physical, and unless they are shown through the spirit, they can...]. Others may see it different. I am open to anything, but for now it fits. I have been under the influence of such thoughts since September 22. 2013: I don't believe it was ever the intent of Christ to have priests teach, like the Jews did. [...] Not as much leaders and followers. It all took place within the mind. |
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Post by phantasman on Jun 29, 2014 10:26:27 GMT -5
I started seeing the difference in names once I started letting spirit dictate over what men taught. And this is not an easy feat.
I had to quit hearing "Paul said this...." or "Philip said that....". This thinking means we follow Paul, or Philip or?. If we say "Thomas says" are we following Thomas or Christ? In most cases we don't know who wrote what is written. The Spirit either says "that is me" or "that's the other guy". It leads to life, or death. We need to know we are grasping the fish, rather than the scorpion. Knowledge. Anyone can "ask" for truth.
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Post by unix on Jun 29, 2014 16:49:17 GMT -5
I want to reach that point, but right now I have a lot of catching up to do for at least a few years - so I will read books: A clear path that we must follow. I get more from the spirit now than just the reading of books. It's like the spirit speaks, and we find scriptures to back it up, rather then vice versa. We merely accept the gift, rather than create it. |
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Post by phantasman on Jul 28, 2014 11:46:19 GMT -5
I want to reach that point, but right now I have a lot of catching up to do for at least a few years - so I will read books: A clear path that we must follow. I get more from the spirit now than just the reading of books. It's like the spirit speaks, and we find scriptures to back it up, rather then vice versa. We merely accept the gift, rather than create it. Reading is good. But knowing in itself does nothing. We don't want to know as the Archons know. One can know and be ignorant. We seek to understand. John 8 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. The Jews thought that they were following truth. They read the (OT) scriptures constantly. The truth was in the spirit of Christ, not the scriptures. So do words lie? Then Peter replied, "Lo, three times you have told us, 'Become full'; but we are full." The Savior answered and said, "For this cause I have said to you, 'Become full,' that you may not be in want. They who are in want, however, will not be saved. For it is good to be full, and bad to be in want. Hence, just as it is good that you be in want and, conversely, bad that you be full, so he who is full is in want, and he who is in want does not become full as he who is in want becomes full, and he who has been filled, in turn attains due perfection. Therefore, you must be in want while it is possible to fill you, and be full while it is possible for you to be in want, so that you may be able to fill yourselves the more. Hence, become full of the Spirit, but be in want of reason, for reason <belongs to> the soul; in turn, it is (of the nature of) soul." -Secret James I believe one word of spiritual understanding is worth a thousand words of spiritual knowledge. People like Irenaeus had plenty of knowledge. But the question is, did he truly understand it? Just my view. |
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Post by unix on Jul 29, 2014 17:41:01 GMT -5
Thanks phantasman, for reviving this thread at this particular point in time. It's sort of too easy make a too long reading-list, it will continuously be important for me read selectively. Right now the biggest thing I'm considering a commentary set purchase. I'm not entirely sure yet how much exactly the set would cost me, but within two days from now I will know. Anyway, the set covers both the NT and the full OT (meaning the Deuterocanonical books of the Alexandrinian canon too). There's a couple of smaller purchases too, one reference work which I would sell (I have the set myself too both as a print copy as well as in Bible Study software) because I'm able to get it cheap and would thereby help someone at uni getting started, and one really small purchase of a commentary (what I'm thinking of is there might be preterist bias in it (although that part of the Bible doesn't typically have those issues)), plus the Hebrew and Greek Bibles (on a sale, bundled). I would not have that much use for the Hebrew right now, but would later on and have already added other Hebrew tools which would be compatible with it, but I won't afford the Greek Old Testament in Accordance for quite a while - which hampers my use of the Old Testament (as I don't know any Hebrew I would have to look things up with the help of the Greek): Reading is good. But knowing in itself does nothing. We don't want to know as the Archons know. One can know and be ignorant. We seek to understand. [...] I believe one word of spiritual understanding is worth a thousand words of spiritual knowledge. |
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Post by phantasman on Aug 27, 2014 10:47:18 GMT -5
I saw an image this morning, and just wish to share. Christ made his desires of the flesh to match his desires of the spirit to be tempted. Both body and spirit cried out to be sated. The devils temptation could only be one of feeding the body. Like above, he was shown great things to satisfy the hunger. A complete world of control, all the food the body would need, all the love of the people in it, wealth beyond belief. But Christ, seeing one way as death, the other life, even in his weak, hungered state, saw the truth. 4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. Bread alone cannot sate us. Men try, but in ignorance, they substitute false love for true love. When Christ prayed in Gethsemane, he knew he was going to an area where the Father would be absent. He wanted that cup to pass. He wasn't fearful, but he knew the power of doubt, of ignorance. And he was going to face it ............alone. While on the cross, alone he met the flesh. A person that had complete control to heal, now had none. He could only be sated by those who were before him, those who followed him. For the first time since the anointment, his physical actions were based on faith alone. He asked that his mother be taken care of. And he asked why the Father wasn't there. His comment sizes up his lack of connection to the Father when he said "I thirst". Men hearing this thought he wanted water. But it was his spirit that thirsted for the Father. A man who could not eat for 40 days, yet could not go without water for a few hours? I believe Christ hated the body and it's weight on the spirit. All along he knew the body housed the spirit physically, yet had no power over it. The ignorant won't see, and will assume Christ wanted to save or remain in a vessel that had no spiritual profit. He showed us how to face the physical death, but only if we see the spiritual implications. There are those who still see the physical body of Christ, the illusion, trying to fabricate what he looked like. Then there are those that have moved passed that moment, as the Father removed the body from physical existence, so the knowledgeable only see what it contained. The Father's truth. We each choose what part of the man/God we follow. |
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