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Post by xpistissopheiax on Apr 15, 2014 0:01:56 GMT -5
I'm not sure the context of referring to Christ as being self-created but I wonder if it had anything to do with free will? Free will was a pretty huge issue in Genesis and also the Secret Revelation of John, so I think it would make sense if that was a serious issue in regards to Christ creating Himself. I think you could argue that a being that has always existed has no free will whatsoever, but a being that #1 created Himself out of nothing is more powerful, and #2 has ultimate free will by choosing to exist. Just a random thought  |
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Post by phantasman on Apr 16, 2014 22:32:56 GMT -5
I'm getting to the point where I feel creation and final destruction (Genesis, Revelations) are time consuming matters that will only be argued and never meant to be known. Had it been, Jesus would have included it as Gospel. However one views both shouldn't take away from the truth we were meant to see and use during our lifetime.
(maybe I'm just tired of the same ol s**t at CF. They argue over the silliest things)
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Post by Soulgazer on Apr 17, 2014 7:46:58 GMT -5
I'm not sure the context of referring to Christ as being self-created but I wonder if it had anything to do with free will? Free will was a pretty huge issue in Genesis and also the Secret Revelation of John, so I think it would make sense if that was a serious issue in regards to Christ creating Himself. I think you could argue that a being that has always existed has no free will whatsoever, but a being that #1 created Himself out of nothing is more powerful, and #2 has ultimate free will by choosing to exist. Just a random thought The thematic enslavement by the Archons in the Nag Hammadi text and the Pistis Sophia suggest that only those that have found freedom through the teachings of Christ have actual free will. This answers the ancient dichotomy between free will and fate. " Lord, still do I question thee and |336. hide [it] not from me. Now, therefore, my Lord, who compelleth then the man until he sinneth?" The Saviour answered and said unto Mary: "It is the rulers of the Fate who compel the man until he sinneth."~ Pistis Sophia chapter 131 |
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Post by xpistissopheiax on Apr 17, 2014 23:53:35 GMT -5
I don't even check CF anymore. It was fun for a while but I felt like some of the posters I was arguing with had serious mental illness, and some of them were just Christian "trolls." There were some genuinely nice people there but almost none of them wanted to engage in any sort of discussion, with us at least SG I wonder if free will vs. fate is another layer of duality when it comes matter vs. spirit? The ouroborous certainly is a symbol that reflects free will vs. fate. I was wondering if Neo-platonism addressed this and I found this article on Plato and free will: suite.io/thais-campos/489h22tSo according to this only a purified mind can have free will, which seems kind of similar to only people who have Gnosis can have free will. |
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Post by xpistissopheiax on Apr 18, 2014 0:46:26 GMT -5
I'm reading through The Gospel of the Egyptians which is incredibly bizarre...It seems like the Father and Christ are both referred to as "Autogenes" and the text is damaged, in spots but it seems "Sakla" or the demi-urge claims it is by the will of Autogenes that he creates either 7 or 12 archons.
This one is really beyond bizarre, and I know I've looked at it before, but I can't even read a lot of the words in it. >_<
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Post by Soulgazer on Apr 18, 2014 8:12:23 GMT -5
I never believed in demons until I visited CF  I left when they started rubbing off on me. The last place I want to find myself is preaching while *ahem* "sitted upon the pole of rightiousness" The Gospel of the Egyptians might make sense to me if I were Egyptian. Don't feel alone . Yes, you are correct when it comes to the duality between flesh and spirit; only a freed spirit was said to have been freed from the fates, and only a person who followed "the way" could have a freed spirit. ~from "Sophia of Christ" |
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I left when they started rubbing off on me. The last place I want to find myself is preaching while *ahem* "sitted upon the pole of rightiousness"