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Post by gnosticbishop on Mar 2, 2014 23:02:43 GMT -5
Why did Adam and Eve not eat of the tree of life first? Logic and reason dictate that insuring life should be a human’s first priority. Yet A & E chose knowledge over eternal life. Was it because life is not worth living without the moral sense that comes from eating of the tree of knowledge? This clip, at about the 1.50 min. mark, shows what I think life would be like for people without the knowledge of good and evil. See if you agree. www.dailymotion.com/video/x88zxp_the-time-machine-1960-part-6_news Which tree would you eat from first if you were Adam or Eve? Regards DL |
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Post by phantasman on Mar 3, 2014 11:06:59 GMT -5
In the end, the Eloi were still slaves (to the Morlocks). The Archons wanted man to be a slave as well. Dependent.
But truth brought names into existence in the world for our sakes, because it is not possible to learn it (truth) without these names. Truth is one single thing; it is many things and for our sakes to teach about this one thing in love through many things. The rulers (archons) wanted to deceive man, since they saw that he had a kinship with those that are truly good. They took the name of those that are good and gave it to those that are not good, so that through the names they might deceive him and bind them to those that are not good. And afterward, what a favor they do for them! They make them be removed from those that are not good and place them among those that are good. These things they knew, for they wanted to take the free man and make him a slave to them forever. -Gospel of Philip
Like many Christians, the Eloi thought they were free.
For so long as the root of wickedness is hidden, it is strong. But when it is recognized, it is dissolved. When it is revealed, it perishes. That is why the Word says, "Already the axe is laid at the root of the trees" (Mt 3:10). It will not merely cut - what is cut sprouts again - but the ax penetrates deeply, until it brings up the root. Jesus pulled out the root of the whole place, while others did it only partially. As for ourselves, let each one of us dig down after the root of evil which is within one, and let one pluck it out of one's heart from the root. It will be plucked out if we recognize it. But if we are ignorant of it, it takes root in us and produces its fruit in our heart. It masters us. We are its slaves. It takes us captive, to make us do what we do not want; and what we do want, we do not do. It is powerful because we have not recognized it. While it exists it is active. Ignorance is the mother of all evil. Ignorance will result in death, because those who come from ignorance neither were nor are nor shall be. [...] will be perfect when all the truth is revealed. For truth is like ignorance: while it is hidden, it rests in itself, but when it is revealed and is recognized, it is praised, inasmuch as it is stronger than ignorance and error. It gives freedom. The Word said, "If you know the truth, the truth will make you free" (Jn 8:32). Ignorance is a slave. Knowledge is freedom. If we know the truth, we shall find the fruits of the truth within us. If we are joined to it, it will bring our fulfillment. -Philip
Adam and Eve were ignorant, and needed the knowledge of good and evil (truth) to see who their "masters" truly were.
Just my opinion from the Gnostic side.
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Post by Gnostic Christian on Mar 4, 2014 20:40:23 GMT -5
So the Archons are what Christianity became, so to speak, as all they are interested in is obedience and keeping people dumbed down.
Regards
DL
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Post by rmcdra on Mar 4, 2014 22:09:32 GMT -5
Depends on one's interpretation.
The drive for life is easily tricked by the promises of a narcissist's and this drive will over power reason even if the promise is too good to be true.
The other interpretation is that drive for life seeks wisdom and it is through wisdom coupled with love and reason that brings salvation and true freedom.
There are many layers, some more useful than others.
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Post by phantasman on Mar 6, 2014 10:16:40 GMT -5
So the Archons are what Christianity became, so to speak, as all they are interested in is obedience and keeping people dumbed down. Regards DL I can see how the chief Archon is intertwined with the "Christian" belief system held so strong by the Orthodox. |
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Post by gnosticbishop on Mar 11, 2014 18:51:46 GMT -5
Depends on one's interpretation. The drive for life is easily tricked by the promises of a narcissist's and this drive will over power reason even if the promise is too good to be true. The other interpretation is that drive for life seeks wisdom and it is through wisdom coupled with love and reason that brings salvation and true freedom. There are many layers, some more useful than others.
By salvation you mean-----
Regards DL
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Post by rmcdra on Mar 20, 2014 23:04:47 GMT -5
Depends on one's interpretation. The drive for life is easily tricked by the promises of a narcissist's and this drive will over power reason even if the promise is too good to be true. The other interpretation is that drive for life seeks wisdom and it is through wisdom coupled with love and reason that brings salvation and true freedom. There are many layers, some more useful than others.
By salvation you mean-----
Regards DL
I've already talked about my views of salvation in another thread with you. But to refresh your memory, I see salvation as a continuous process that reunites one with God. It is a process that changes a person from being a meat bag that just goes with the flow of things to a person who is conscious of the world in which they live. It is a healing process that changes a person internally. |
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