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Post by waywardwanderer on Jun 20, 2013 19:47:57 GMT -5
You will have to forgive me as I simply could not come up with a better title for this thread.
I was wondering if everyone would mind recommending me some fundamental resources for researching pre-catholic Christianity, or what more often gets lumped together as Gnosticism. Any web links or book recommendations would be welcomed. Also any thoughts or advice would be welcomed. I already have "The Gnostic Gospels" and "Beyond Belief" both by Elaine Pagels and have found them both helpful.
I was thinking it might would be neat if we could make this thread a sort of index of resources for those that might be considering Gnosticism.
I have found that researching the topic from the angle of a potential new way to view your faith can be a bit overwhelming. There is so much out there and so many conflicting opinions. It would be nice to have advice from those who have gone or are going through the same process as to just where to start and what things should be considered.
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Post by rmcdra on Jun 21, 2013 14:50:29 GMT -5
Jeremy Puma's book, This Way, is a pretty good text for starting out. For more historical texts, Karen King's, What is Gnosticism, and David Brakke's, The Gnostics, are good reads and shows some of the more recent theories of pre-Catholic Christianity.
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Post by waywardwanderer on Jun 21, 2013 15:26:45 GMT -5
Cool. I will look into them.
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Post by eachallberg on Jun 22, 2013 17:07:15 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to reading "this way" I hear its a very good read too.
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Post by Soulgazer on Jun 22, 2013 22:54:26 GMT -5
To know what is real, one must know what is unreal. To walk through the desert of the real, is an existential experience. Not sure agostic covers it, though it is part of it. There is only one gnosis, though there may be seven billion ways to describe it. There are a million billion archons laying in wait to convince one that they have discovered "gnosis", but that too can be unreal. To know what is real, and what is fantasy or self deception is essential. To know this, one must also explore their inner self, to know what temps and what rings true, and not be willing to fall for every seductive sounding "truth", for there are many things that sound sweet indeed, but when cast in the true light of inner knowing, disintegrate like any other illusion.
Sounds good thus far? That inner light may also be a false light. One must set pride aside, a much more difficult feat than it sounds, and be willing to turn from false lights, false teachings, and grind the serpents head under thy heel.
To make matters even better, there are no assurances, no helping hands in an inner journey, no "spirit guides" for they too end up being another archon. Gnosis is Truth, but not all that is true is gnosis, that indescribable experience of coming face to face with the sublime. Yet Gnosis is also salvation, that rope sent down from above that provides the means of our escape from the illusions of the archons. Without it, any salvation is also illusionary, and faith but another deception, for faith is placed in a window that will not shatter, a leaf that will not fall. Once gnosis is given, then faith is placed in what is known to be real.
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Post by phantasman on Jun 23, 2013 8:39:42 GMT -5
I just bought "The Nag Hammadi Scriptures" Meyer/Robinson which seems to not only contain the codex's but includes an index and study guide to make it easier to understand and read. I bought it new on ebay for $14.
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Post by waywardwanderer on Jun 23, 2013 18:26:24 GMT -5
To know what is real, one must know what is unreal. To walk through the desert of the real, is an existential experience. Not sure agostic covers it, though it is part of it. There is only one gnosis, though there may be seven billion ways to describe it. There are a million billion archons laying in wait to convince one that they have discovered "gnosis", but that too can be unreal. To know what is real, and what is fantasy or self deception is essential. To know this, one must also explore their inner self, to know what temps and what rings true, and not be willing to fall for every seductive sounding "truth", for there are many things that sound sweet indeed, but when cast in the true light of inner knowing, disintegrate like any other illusion. Sounds good thus far? That inner light may also be a false light. One must set pride aside, a much more difficult feat than it sounds, and be willing to turn from false lights, false teachings, and grind the serpents head under thy heel. To make matters even better, there are no assurances, no helping hands in an inner journey, no "spirit guides" for they too end up being another archon. Gnosis is Truth, but not all that is true is gnosis, that indescribable experience of coming face to face with the sublime. Yet Gnosis is also salvation, that rope sent down from above that provides the means of our escape from the illusions of the archons. Without it, any salvation is also illusionary, and faith but another deception, for faith is placed in a window that will not shatter, a leaf that will not fall. Once gnosis is given, then faith is placed in what is known to be real. It sounds like a difficult and long road but it seems so worth it. I am willing to stick it out, I just want that experience. I have really been trying to focus on knowing myself as to my mind it seems to be fundamental. I have always felt like there was some sort of emptiness to my being and I feel like this may be what it is that I have felt I am missing. I do not expect an easy journey but it is one I feel like I need to make.
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Post by xpistissopheiax on Jun 28, 2013 12:43:29 GMT -5
I'd add "The Thirteenth Apostle" by April Deconick to the recommendation list
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Post by waywardwanderer on Jun 30, 2013 10:34:54 GMT -5
Ill have to check into it. Thanks for the recommendation, I seem to have a small library developing.
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Post by phantasman on Jun 30, 2013 11:29:42 GMT -5
I don't think the road is as long as it is spiritually viable. I have found that truth builds upon itself, and we could spend a lifetime and not learn it all. We just move towards it, remaining on the right path, the one we feel God has laid out for us. I always pray for being able to see it, and to follow it.
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Post by unix on Jul 15, 2013 7:03:40 GMT -5
I second that recommendation: add "The Thirteenth Apostle" by April Deconick ;) I would also add: Michael Allen Williams (1996). Rethinking "Gnosticism" - An Argument for Dismantling a Dubious Category, as authorative and good correction to set You on the right track, and I give credit for that to Soulgazer who originally made the recommendation to me, and I've seen the same recommendation since elsewhere.
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Post by Soulgazer on Jul 15, 2013 8:18:35 GMT -5
Unix, welcome to the board Your input and inquisitive nature are certainly welcome here.
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